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 More options Jun 28 2009, 9:55 am
From: scripturelink <Marc...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:55:15 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 28 2009 9:55 am
Subject: [Tridentine South (And Southern) Africa] SSPX goes ahead: ordains three men i...

(Tridentine South Africa; c.f. BBC World News (Secular; Governmental;
British) 27 / 06 | June / 2009; Vatican information Service V.I.S 17 /
06 | June / 2009 ; Archive: 18 / 06 | June / 2009; Rorate Caeli
(Seeming SSPX Sympathizers) 27 / 06 | June / 2009:
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/06/events_27.html)

Article by Marc Aupiais

According to the BBC, the SSPX / FSSPX (Fraternal Society of Saint Pius
X), has gone ahead with three (3) ordinations, in Zaitzkofen, Bavaria,
Germany. This despite the threat of excommunication, and Vatican
opposition, and condemnation.

They ordained a Swiss (A man from Switzerland), a Pole (a man from
Poland) and a Swede (a man from Sweden). The BBC had previously
reported that the SSPX would ordain 30 men in June, however, this
likely includes the additional ordination of priests (and possibly
includes those planned of deacons) in America, and Switzerland, which
the BBC, among other sources had noted to still be planned, by the
SSPX. The SSPX's seminary's rector: cited the shortage of priests in
Europe, as a reason to disobey the German and Vatican Church
Authorities.

The German diocese in charge of the area, Regensburg, had said that the
SSPX bishop, and three priests being in their view: illicitly, but
validly (sacramentally) ordained: would likely incur excommunication.

The Catholic Bishop in charge of the Regensburg Diocese, which had
noted possible excommunication, is Bishop Gerhard Müller.

The FSSPX/SSPX Bishop, who defied the Vatican, in addition to the
applicable German diocese mentioned above, was reported prior the time
to be SSPX Bishop Alfonso de Galaretta, however, SSPX sympathizers:
Rorate Caeli, claim that the illicit ordinations were done by SSPX
Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

According to the Vatican (c.f. Vatican information Service V.I.S. 17 /
06 | June / 2009 ), who commented on the situation before the
ordinations: the SSPX bishops and priests, while validly
(Sacramentally) ordained, hold no legitimate (licit) authority in the
church, and the ordinations, would be illicit (illegal).

To note a discrepancy between our different external sources: Rorate
Caeli, a site sympathetic, if not obedient to the SSPX, has claimed
that there were 5 priests ordained into the SSPX schism. They have
additionally, claimed that the ordination was by SSPX Bishop Athanasius
Schneider, who they say is from Kazakhstan, and not the same SSPX
bishop, as the mainstream had reported to be the one to carry out the
ordinations. A possible explanation for the difference about how many
priests were ordained by the schismatics, could be in the picture shown
on the Rorate Caeli website, which has three of the men shown wearing
different garb from the other two. We have thus gone with the more
generally accepted facts of the BBC, who also have a picture, with
three of the men kneeling: as regards the number of priests ordained,
likely in an act of "schism".

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 More options Jun 28 2009, 2:44 pm
From: Marc Aupiais <marc...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:44:07 +0200
Local: Sun, Jun 28 2009 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Tridentine South (And Southern) Africa] SSPX goes ahead: ordains three men i...

*in an ordination, which was *likely an act of *"**schism"*.
replaces : * which was *likely an act of *"**schism"*.

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 More options Jun 30 2009, 7:05 am
From: scripturelink <Marc...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:05:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jun 30 2009 7:05 am
Subject: [Tridentine South (And Southern) Africa] SSPX goes ahead: ordains three men i...

(Tridentine South Africa; c.f. BBC World News (Secular; Governmental;
British) 27 / 06 | June / 2009; Vatican information Service V.I.S 17 /
06 | June / 2009 ; Archive: 18 / 06 | June / 2009; Rorate Caeli
(Catholic; Independent; Unknown; Traditionalist) 27 / 06 | June / 2009:
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/06/events_27.html)

[Noted Discrepancy cleared up: Rorate Caeli was refering to FSSP
ordinations, in the same area and about the same time.]

Article by Marc Aupiais

According to the BBC, the SSPX / FSSPX (Fraternal Society of Saint Pius
X), has gone ahead with three (3) ordinations, in Zaitzkofen, Bavaria,
Germany. This despite the threat of excommunication, and Vatican
opposition, and condemnation.

They ordained a Swiss (A man from Switzerland), a Pole (a man from
Poland) and a Swede (a man from Sweden). The BBC had previously
reported that the SSPX would ordain 30 men in June, however, this
likely includes the additional ordination of priests (and possibly
includes those planned of deacons) in America, and Switzerland, which
the BBC, among other sources had noted to still be planned, by the
SSPX. The SSPX's seminary's rector: cited the shortage of priests in
Europe, as a reason to disobey the German and Vatican Church
Authorities.

The German diocese in charge of the area, Regensburg, had said that the
SSPX bishop, and three priests being in their view: illicitly, but
validly (sacramentally) ordained: would likely incur excommunication.

The Catholic Bishop in charge of the Regensburg Diocese, which had
noted possible excommunication, is Bishop Gerhard Müller.

The FSSPX/SSPX Bishop, who defied the Vatican, in addition to the
applicable German diocese mentioned above, was reported prior the time
to be SSPX Bishop Alfonso de Galaretta. Rorate Caeli, have an article
about Bishop Athanasius Schneider ordaining 5 FSSP priests in the same
area, however, this was an FSSP ordination, and the licit ordination of
5 FSSP has no relation to the Bavaria Ordinations of the 3 SSPX priests.

According to the Vatican (c.f. Vatican information Service V.I.S. 17 /
06 | June / 2009 ), who commented on the situation before the
ordinations: the SSPX bishops and priests, while validly
(Sacramentally) ordained, hold no legitimate (licit) authority in the
church, and the ordinations, would be illicit (illegal).

As an internationally collaborative: initiative to provide a more
transparent, accurate view of the world: This service is brought to you
by the Scripturelink Search Engine (quotations, or confers in this
service/initiative, are provided to give perspective independently, or
reference some external sources: and do not imply collaboration, or any
kind of affiliation, or co-operation with other services, or
initiatives, which are quoted or noted in articles)

Check the accuracy, and perspectives of our contents via the above
listed search engine: against other "Catholic" services

Subscribe to our articles via email:

Subscribe to South African Catholic

Add your email to our system to: subscribe to: "South African Catholic
News Service"'s dispatches: via email

Email:

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at our sub-forum on Catholic Answer Forums :

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Or Join us on Facebook

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Otherwise, please rate our articles, it is important for the growth of
our service to know your views, and we hope you will leave appropriate,
legally wise, and compliant and cordial comments, and emails (editor:
marc...@gmail.com)!

Or become a fan on Facebook:

South African Catholic News Service- Page - the notes that we add: are
generally: our articles from this service

Interested in the: Scripturelink Search and Information service- Page,
or want to see our google reader: Shared Items: click here

We also have a site on twitter:

http://twitter.com/sacns

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