On Feb 2, 7:18 pm, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
> Please excuse me for not believing you. But I have a hard time
> believing that the existing scientific consensus is that a fetus can
> survive on its own after 12 weeks. I suspect it is actually closer to
> twice that.
atypican ~
And actually my wife looked positively radiant and healthy
bonfly ~
I bet she looked more like a walrus with tits.
atypican ~
(I am proud to say)
bonfly ~
why? because you donated the sperm ?
atypican ~
throughout pregnancy and after birth, to this day. Thumb
through the pictures of me during those times and you can see that the
experience does tax the resources of a (good) man as well.
bonfly ~
why would I want to see pictures of your dumb ass?
atypican ~
anyone who calls me misogynistic is a lying fuck
bonfly ~
whatever. You're still a misogynist. You hate women with a passion.
You're also a control freak.
On Feb 3, 3:21 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And actually my wife looked positively radiant and healthy (I am proud
> to say) throughout pregnancy and after birth, to this day. Thumb
> through the pictures of me during those times and you can see that the
> experience does tax the resources of a (good) man as well.
> anyone who calls me misogynistic is a lying fuck
> atypican
> On Feb 2, 9:35 pm, bonfly <anub...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> > Bullshit. Working at a job 'even when his own health begs him to
> > rest' is nowhere near as sacrificial as a woman's pregnancy. What an
> > insult that is to women.
> > On Feb 3, 2:25 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Such as? Name one thing that you feel he could *sacrifice* that comes
> > > > close to a woman nurturing the embryo internally.
> > > Working at a job, even when his own health begs him to rest. Men give
> > > up comfort, nourishment for themselves and many things very comparable
> > > to the sacrifices a mother gives. Not all men do, but a whole lot of
> > > them do. Somehow nourishment given from inside the embryo always
> > > trumps other efforts? I know I busted my but when I found out I was
> > > going to be a Dad. And you aren't going to make me feel that my
> > > contributions are less important simply because the nourishment I
> > > provide isn't delivered directly through the placenta. This line of
> > > thinking is contempt for men.
> > > atypican
> > > On Feb 2, 7:08 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 2, 6:01 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >Just as it is perfectly fair for the father to bear the responsibility
> > > > > >of being impregnated with that embryo.
> > > > > fair, but not currently plausible.
> > > > And not possible, which is precisely why a man cannot bear that
> > > > responsibility. There is nothing he can do to bear the responsibility
> > > > without requiring the woman to comply.
> > > > > the father will have to be content
> > > > > to make other sacrifices.
> > > > Such as? Name one thing that you feel he could *sacrifice* that comes
> > > > close to a woman nurturing the embryo internally.
> > > > > >I feel the same way about forcing her to bear that embryo to birth.
> > > > > I think forcing a woman to get pregnant and bring an embryo to birth
> > > > > is bad too. But how did that address my comment?
> > > > Very aptly, I thought. I found it to be an impoverished outlook.
On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Sketch System <obsolete.sys...@dorkmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:04 pm, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > well your mamma probably did
> The ultimate truth is that you are a degenerate asshole. You're
> working very hard to make sure that all future arguments will be
> rejected outright.
Fuckdroids like yourself who kill babies in the womb are the rejects
of society and sooner or later God will cut you down
On Feb 2, 7:31 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Actually, I think you're a complete moron.
> You are good at insulting but poor at arguing
Why should anyone bother trying to have an adult conversation with a
pro-birther? They use emotional arguments instead of rational ones.
They could care less about the woman, only that she give birth.
> I've got a simple request should any of the pro-life guys be up for
> it: tell us why you think murder is wrong.
> And with that in mind we might discover why you find abortion so
> morally objectionable. Surely that seems like a reasonable request.
> And then we'll all understand where you're coming from.
On Feb 2, 8:04 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I married someone.
I would pity her. I have no interest in discussing this topic with
someone that believes that a woman has no rights to her own body. It's
her body and a private matter between her and here doctor. There can
be no argument.
> If I have a high ground it is because she started it. lol I began
> insulting her on purpose to match her tone. And I hereby explicitly
> admit doing it so nix your hypocritical accusation. However I do make
> a strong effort never to insult first.
> Find a place where I have been the first to do it and I will admit I
> am a hypocrite.
> atypican
> On Feb 2, 8:53 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > I see this happen a lot on this group. Two people get into a heated
> > discussion and express their personal opinions about each other. One
> > of them, in this case Trance, acknowledges that she's insulting you
> > but doesn't see the problem with it because including insults in her
> > post does not devalue her case logically--she's simply expressing her
> > honest opinion of you in addition to her argument. The other, in this
> > case you, is also making character attacks but is somehow convinced
> > that he's on the moral highground because he phrases his insults in
> > terms like "you are incapable of genuine respect" instead of "you're a
> > moron" which for some reason makes it completely different in your
> > mind. Complaining that Trance is being insulting is pretty
> > hypocritical when you're doing the same thing, and you are.
> > On Feb 2, 8:34 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >Actually, I think you're a complete moron.
> > > cut and paste a moronic post of mine for all to see! you won't because
> > > you are incapable of genuine respect.
> > > atypican
> > > On Feb 2, 7:43 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 2, 7:59 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Aw, I'm hurt that you don't think I'm brilliant and creative.
> > > > Actually, I think you're a complete moron.
> > > > > >It takes two to Tango. When that embryo becomes a life they're both
> > > > > >responsible for it.
> > > > > So your position is that an embryo is not living? it is not a life?
> > > > You have to ask? Thanks for proving my belief that you're a complete
> > > > moron.
> > > > > I think it is perfectly fair for a father to take responsibility for
> > > > > the health of his child even when the child is an embryo. A woman
> > > > > should not be offended by that. Pressing her not to drink or smoke by
> > > > > some could be construed as telling her what to do with her body but I
> > > > > think that is an impoverished outlook.
> > > > The impoverished outlook is anyone thinking that they have the right
> > > > to tell a pregnant woman how to look after herself.
> > > > It's the ultimate in arrogance and exhibits a complete contempt for
> > > > women as human beings.
> > > > > atypican
> > > > > On Feb 2, 5:44 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 2, 5:33 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I like what Mother Theresa said.
> > > > > > > "It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live
> > > > > > > as you wish"
> > > > > > > As far as laws against abortion. I don't think they are a good idea
> > > > > > > If the decision of whether or not to abort the baby is soley the
> > > > > > > womans then the responsibility to care for the child after birth
> > > > > > > should not be "imposed" on the father and child support payments
> > > > > > > should not be enforced by law.
> > > > > > > there's a contoversial opinion (the women will love) for you to dice
> > > > > > > up!
> > > > > > Not really. Frankly these arguments have been around for a long time.
> > > > > > Nothing new, brilliant or creative here.
> > > > > > It takes two to Tango. When that embryo becomes a life they're both
> > > > > > responsible for it.
> > > > > > > atypican
> > > > > > > On Feb 1, 11:49 pm, semi <seminole10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > What views do atheists here have on that issue?- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
On Feb 3, 12:27 am, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Women do not have the right to choose to murder another human being,
> except in evil societies controlled by Satan. Murder is just plain
> wrong. And it doesn't matter how much you bullshit on and on with your
> puffed up self important attitudes you are a freaking murdering pig
> slut if you kill an unborn baby. You should be sent to the gas chamber
> or whatever they kill murderers with in your country. Damn you
> murdering bitches
We don't have the death penalty in Canada and I've never had an
abortion.
So far, the person who has called for Murder the most times on this
thread has been you.
So I guess you're the "Satan" controlled "murdering pig slut" (to
quote you) on this thread.
You really don't know if there are any "murdering bitches" (another
quote from you) on this site since no-one has claimed to actually have
had an abortion.
We are all simply saying that it's a woman's right to chose.
> On Feb 2, 6:11 pm, Dave <dvor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 2:33 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I like what Mother Theresa said.
> > > "It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live
> > > as you wish"
> > As usual that nasty old lady was wrong. No one is killing a child.
> > > As far as laws against abortion. I don't think they are a good idea
> > > If the decision of whether or not to abort the baby is soley the
> > > womans then the responsibility to care for the child after birth
> > > should not be "imposed" on the father and child support payments
> > > should not be enforced by law.
> > If the guy isn't willing to pay the price then he should keep his toy
> > an is pants and play with it when he gets home. If you can't to the
> > time, don't do the crime. If you can't pay, don't play.
> > > there's a contoversial opinion (the women will love) for you to dice
> > > up!
> > It's the guys choice. Make sure protection is used and used properly
> > and you'll be safe from having to be a father.
> LL: Even better, get a vasectomy--or get the thing cut off altogether.
I need it to pee with.... although that dam prostate is making that
difficult. Besides, it's fun to play with. :-)
As they say in the military - it's my soap and my dick and I'll wash
it as fast as I want to.
That is someone impersonating me. I wonder if it is an ultimatenutcase? Even the anti-theist moderator will not let you get away with that. Good-bye to you.
On 2/2/08, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 3:37 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am a homosexual who engages in ultimate butt sex with my boyfriend > > so I have no worries about getting my lover pregnant or anything like > that. > > I love to kiss his big hairy balls and really get it on knowing that > nothing > > can go wrong inside his colon:
> > On 2/2/08, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Women do not have the right to choose to murder another human being, > > > except in evil societies controlled by Satan. Murder is just plain > > > wrong. And it doesn't matter how much you bullshit on and on with your > > > puffed up self important attitudes you are a freaking murdering pig > > > slut if you kill an unborn baby. You should be sent to the gas chamber > > > or whatever they kill murderers with in your country. Damn you > > > murdering bitches
> > -- > > Ambassador From Hell > > Keith MacNevins - Elk Grove Village, IL USA > > copyright
-- Ambassador From Hell Keith MacNevins - Elk Grove Village, IL USA copyright
> That is someone impersonating me. I wonder if it is an ultimatenutcase? Even
> the anti-theist moderator will not let you get away with that. Good-bye to
> you.
> On 2/2/08, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Are you kidding me!
> > On Feb 3, 3:37 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am a homosexual who engages in ultimate butt sex with my boyfriend
> > > so I have no worries about getting my lover pregnant or anything like
> > that.
> > > I love to kiss his big hairy balls and really get it on knowing that
> > nothing
> > > can go wrong inside his colon:
> > > On 2/2/08, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Women do not have the right to choose to murder another human being,
> > > > except in evil societies controlled by Satan. Murder is just plain
> > > > wrong. And it doesn't matter how much you bullshit on and on with your
> > > > puffed up self important attitudes you are a freaking murdering pig
> > > > slut if you kill an unborn baby. You should be sent to the gas chamber
> > > > or whatever they kill murderers with in your country. Damn you
> > > > murdering bitches
> > > --
> > > Ambassador From Hell
> > > Keith MacNevins - Elk Grove Village, IL USA
> > > copyright
> --
> Ambassador From Hell
> Keith MacNevins - Elk Grove Village, IL USA
> copyright- Hide quoted text -
On Feb 3, 12:47 am, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am from a family where mom flew the coop. I am sure that affects my
> view but it doesn't make me misogynistic which I will deny most
> emphatically because I do believe misogyny should be better recognized
> within society and within religion.
Mysogynisitic does describe you. And if I were you, I would give some
thought to that.
It's always difficult when a parent "flies the coop" for the children
left behind because it's their nature to blame themselves as children.
When they get older they often blame the parent and transfer that
hostility to the sex of the parent.
You can learn something about yourself from this experience and move
into becoming an enlightened man instead of one burdened by hostility
towards women.
> On Feb 2, 10:02 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 11:33 pm, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 2, 4:44 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > It takes two to Tango. When that embryo becomes a life they're both
> > > > responsible for it.
> > > LL: That's true, but how many women wind up taking care of and
> > > supporting their child by themselves because the guy flew the coop? It
> > > seldom happens the other way around, no matter what the circumstances.
> > Exactly. And that's exactly why the decision of having an abortion or
> > not belongs only with the pregnant woman.
> > > > On Feb 2, 5:33 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I like what Mother Theresa said.
> > > > > "It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live
> > > > > as you wish"
> > > > > As far as laws against abortion. I don't think they are a good idea
> > > > > If the decision of whether or not to abort the baby is soley the
> > > > > womans then the responsibility to care for the child after birth
> > > > > should not be "imposed" on the father and child support payments
> > > > > should not be enforced by law.
> > > > > there's a contoversial opinion (the women will love) for you to dice
> > > > > up!
> > > > Not really. Frankly these arguments have been around for a long time.
> > > > Nothing new, brilliant or creative here.
> > > > It takes two to Tango. When that embryo becomes a life they're both
> > > > responsible for it.
> > > > > atypican
> > > > > On Feb 1, 11:49 pm, semi <seminole10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > What views do atheists here have on that issue?- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> On Feb 3, 12:13 am, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 9:03 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 2, 11:35 pm, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 2, 4:49 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Yes a contractual obligation would change things however the problem
> > > > > here would be proving either the contractual obligation or the fact
> > > > > that the sperm was stolen and used to impregnate the woman
> > > > LL: Such a contract would be illegal and unenforceable.
> > > Definitely unenforceable but how would it be illegal?
> > If it was illegal, it would automatically be unenforceable, of
> > course.
> > What makes you think though that stipulating that one should have a
> > child, lose x pounds of weight, signed willingly into a contract by
> > two adults of sound mind and health be unenforceable, if the violator
> > of the contract has to pay the other a hundred bucks?
> > It would be unenforceable that someone have a child because a contract
> > was signed, because the law would declare that contract invalid as
> > soon as it is contested.
> > But to pay someone a hundred bucks for not having a child by March
> > 2009, would be fine.
> > Odd contract perhaps, but I do not why it would be illegal.
> My comments were related to your previous post which I believe said
> that it was a verbal contract.
> I agree that would be unenforceable because if one person denied the
> contract existed independent corroboration of some kind would be
> required.
Up to a court of law to decide that based on evidence.
I'd like to think I dislike Keith as much as - if not more than -
anybody on this site. Nonetheless, if that was a bullshit quote that
Keith never wrote then I support him on this and ultimatenutcase
should get the boot pronto.
On Feb 3, 4:05 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That is someone impersonating me. I wonder if it is an ultimatenutcase? Even
> the anti-theist moderator will not let you get away with that. Good-bye to
> you.
> On 2/2/08, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Are you kidding me!
> > On Feb 3, 3:37 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am a homosexual who engages in ultimate butt sex with my boyfriend
> > > so I have no worries about getting my lover pregnant or anything like
> > that.
> > > I love to kiss his big hairy balls and really get it on knowing that
> > nothing
> > > can go wrong inside his colon:
> > > On 2/2/08, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Women do not have the right to choose to murder another human being,
> > > > except in evil societies controlled by Satan. Murder is just plain
> > > > wrong. And it doesn't matter how much you bullshit on and on with your
> > > > puffed up self important attitudes you are a freaking murdering pig
> > > > slut if you kill an unborn baby. You should be sent to the gas chamber
> > > > or whatever they kill murderers with in your country. Damn you
> > > > murdering bitches
> > > --
> > > Ambassador From Hell
> > > Keith MacNevins - Elk Grove Village, IL USA
> > > copyright
> --
> Ambassador From Hell
> Keith MacNevins - Elk Grove Village, IL USA
> copyright
> What you're forgetting in this and your other reply are the biological > facts of the situation. A man and a woman should be equally > responsible for a born child _except_ in special situations like the > one Simpleton named (where the woman stole the sperm from a condom). > With an unborn child it is obviously different because of the other > biological fact you overlooked: before a child is born it is a part of > the woman's body. If the baby is able to survive independent of its > mother it is essentially a person in its own right. Before that, > though, it is simply a part of her body like any other part. The fact > that it has the "potential" to become a human being is irrelevent--if > anything that has the potential to become human is human than we're > practicing cannibalism every time we eat something.
> On Feb 2, 3:56 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is no general consensus on at what point a life becomes worthy > > of protection by law. > > If that decision is to be left up to the mother then why should women > > who kill their kids (after birth) be prosecuted when they take it upon > > themselves to thereby escape the responsibilities of child rearing? > > It's their kid it's their choice?!? Now abortion.. this is a hot > > topic!
> > atypican
> > On Feb 1, 11:49 pm, semi <seminole10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > What views do atheists here have on that issue?- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
-- Ambassador From Hell Keith MacNevins - Elk Grove Village, IL USA copyright
> If the decision of whether or not to abort the baby is solely the
> womans
But typically she seeks advice and is open to influence by people she
respects.
>that sticks in your craw, doesn't it?
What sticks in my craw is when there is legislation that attempts to
enforce family values.
I shared the intense frustration and witnessed the torture of my best
friend when the courts diligently enforced child support requests of
the mother (while she moved from crack house to crack house. and it
was not just a story told to me I personally saw it) but did next to
nothing to insure his visitation rights weren't being violated (and
they were being violated badly). When the mother finally ended up in
prison his son ended up returning to his custody at age 5 with SEVERE
emotional trauma. Now I even believe a child should usually by default
go to the mother, but frankly I don't think the courts are fit to make
these decisions.
> On Feb 2, 2:33 pm, atypican <davidmja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If the decision of whether or not to abort the baby is soley the
> womans then the responsibility to care for the child after birth
> should not be "imposed" on the father and child support payments
> should not be enforced by law.
> LL: Once a woman is pregnant, the ball is in her court as to whether
> she continues the pregnancy, but both are responsible for any child
> that ensues. If more men realized this there would be many fewer
> unplanned pregnancies.
> Pregnancy is one of the few places where a woman is completely in
> charge--that sticks in your craw, doesn't it?
> > I like what Mother Theresa said.
> > "It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live
> > as you wish"
> > As far as laws against abortion. I don't think they are a good idea
> > If the decision of whether or not to abort the baby is soley the
> > womans then the responsibility to care for the child after birth
> > should not be "imposed" on the father and child support payments
> > should not be enforced by law.
> > there's a contoversial opinion (the women will love) for you to dice
> > up!
> > atypican
> > On Feb 1, 11:49 pm, semi <seminole10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > What views do atheists here have on that issue?- Hide quoted text -
> Yes blow it out your ass satan boy. You've said abominable things to > people here for years. You are the ultimate butthole.
> Murder is wrong and I will always say so. Dimwit
> On Feb 3, 4:05 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That is someone impersonating me. I wonder if it is an ultimatenutcase? > Even > > the anti-theist moderator will not let you get away with that. Good-bye > to > > you.
> > On 2/2/08, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Are you kidding me!
> > > On Feb 3, 3:37 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I am a homosexual who engages in ultimate butt sex with my boyfriend > > > > so I have no worries about getting my lover pregnant or anything > like > > > that. > > > > I love to kiss his big hairy balls and really get it on knowing that > > > nothing > > > > can go wrong inside his colon:
> > > > On 2/2/08, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Women do not have the right to choose to murder another human > being, > > > > > except in evil societies controlled by Satan. Murder is just plain > > > > > wrong. And it doesn't matter how much you bullshit on and on with > your > > > > > puffed up self important attitudes you are a freaking murdering > pig > > > > > slut if you kill an unborn baby. You should be sent to the gas > chamber > > > > > or whatever they kill murderers with in your country. Damn you > > > > > murdering bitches
> > > > -- > > > > Ambassador From Hell > > > > Keith MacNevins - Elk Grove Village, IL USA > > > > copyright
> > -- > > Ambassador From Hell > > Keith MacNevins - Elk Grove Village, IL USA > > copyright- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
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